Thread: A Points System for Age of Sigmar

OK so I honestly don't think AoS will ever be a competitive game in its current state (even if points are assigned, the rules have to many gaps), but even in a fun environment points will help this game so much (again, allowing for pick up games). So after seeing some options online (most had to do with wounds, bravery and attacks) I felt they were lacking a lot as they didn't account for all the stats and made a lot of models seem out of proportion compared to others.

So I came up with a formula to calculate a points cost using all the major stats. The points costs for even a zombie or a gnoblar is a lot higher than we are used to, but it does give a relative cost to most things.

What this system does not do, is account for special rules. That's something that would require more playtesting, but this is a good thought I think.

Second point, I do expect people to have a basic concept of math and the order of operations to use this formula. There is a "base stat" cost and a "weapon cost". For models with multiple weapons, compute the weapon cost for each weapon chosen.

I haven't figured out a way for re-roll's, re-roll's of one, etc. Especially those provided by shields and such.

First off, whenever a stat is a dice roll consult the chart below to determine how many points it is:

- = 0 points
6+ = 1 point
5+ = 2 points
4+ = 3 points
3+ = 4 points
2+ = 5 points

(Wounds(bravery + movement) + Save) + (Attacks*Damage + Range + Rend(-1) + To Hit + To Wound)

For variable damage, use the highest potential value. For example, D3=3 and D6=6.

For conditional damage, first half the result. For example, D3=1.5 and D6=3. This is for rules like the Blood Knights who do D3 damage on the charge and Grave Guard, who deal 2 damage on any roll of 6.

Wizard: +50 points
Fly: Double movement (before multiplying)

Finally, round any fractions up after completing the entire formula.

By using this formula, here are some points costs we get for different units:

Empire Crossbowmen: 44
Empire Handgunner w/Imperial Handgun: 41
Empire Handgunner w/repeater Handgun: 38
Empire State Troop w/halberd: 21
Empire State Troop w/spear: 21
Empire Greatswords:25
Empire Pistoliers: 54
Demigryph Knights w/lance and sword: 88
Empire General on Warhorse, pistol and Great Weapon: 136
Empire Steam Tank with repeater handgun: 367

Zombie: 18
Blood Knight: 86
Unridden Zombie Dragon: 400
Vampire Lord on foot: 150
Vampire lord on nightmare: 181
Vampire Lord on Abyssal Terror with Sword: 360

High Elf Sword Master: 28
Silver Helm: 57
Ellyrian Reavers w/bow and spear: 83
Pheonix Guard: 29*
*(not accounting for Witness to Destiny special rule, which is essentially a 4+ invulnerable save)

Clan Rat w/blade: 20
Clan Rat w/spear: 21
Skaven Slave w/blade: 18
Skaven Slave w/spear: 17
Skave Slave w/sling: 24

Dwarf Cannon w/3 crew: 113
(have not accounted for extra damage vs units 10 and larger)


Looking at this, ranged units are definitely much higher than their melee counterparts. But seeing as their seem to be no limit to shooting (you can shoot, splitting attacks, into and out of combat...) I don't mind that.

Let me know what y'all think.

Even if you point the game it still has huge flaws like immune to damage saves, autowin combinations,chameleon skinks, and the imbalance of summonning.

What are autowin combos. Most I've seen stem from an inability to read.

[string]$Unit = Read-Host 'Unit name'
[int]$W = Read-Host 'Wounds Value'
[int]$B = Read-Host 'Bravory Value'
[int]$S = Read-Host 'Save_Percentage Value'
[int]$A = Read-Host 'Attacks Value'
[int]$D = Read-Host 'Damage Value'
[int]$TH = Read-Host 'To_Hit Value'
[int]$TW = Read-Host 'To_Wound Value'
[int]$R = Read-Host 'Total Rend Value'
[int]$M = Read-Host 'Movement Value'
$weptype = Read-Host 'Type ranged or melee'

if ($weptype -eq "ranged"){
[int]$RW = Read-Host 'Range_of_Weapon'
$wep = (($A*$D)*($TH + $TW) + ($R) + ($RW/5))
}
else{
[int]$MR = Read-Host 'Melee_Range'
$wep = (($A*$D)*($TH + $TW) + ($R) + ($MR - 1))
}

$base = (($W*$B) + ($M - 5) + ($W*$S))

$master = ($base + $wep)

Write-Output ("The " + $Unit + " is worth " + $master)

Here is the relevant Powershell code for the version I talked about.

the actual equation I came up with is as follows

(W*B) + (W*S%) + [(A*D)(TH+TW)] +(R^R) + M - 5 + either (RW/5) for a ranged weapon or (MR-1) for a melee one.

TH = 6+ = -1
TH = 5+ = 0
TH = 4+ = 1
TH = 3+ = 2
TH = 2+ = 3
TH = 1+ = 4

TW is the same as TH

S% = 6+ = 1.17
S% = 5+ = 1.33
S% = 4+ = 1.5
S% = 3+ = 1.67
S% = 2+ = 1.83
S% = 1+ = 2

special rules are individually valued (the ones that can be based on math are done so, so rerolls of 1 are worth less than 1 point, rerolls of all ones are worth 1, so on and so forth)

Add 25 points for models with the "Priest" keyword

Add 25 points for each spell the model may cast a turn

Add 10 points for each spell the model may dispell a turn.

Army Composition

Basically a blend of 8th and 7th

for each 500 points, up to 3 models with the hero keyword, must take 25% core choices (anything not a hero or monster) 0-4 units without the hero keyword that have a ranged weapon, 0-1 monsters

Additional Comp: All summoning spells replace the following numbers

3 = 1 (unless it is the "boosted" version"
5 = 1D3
10 = 1D6
20 = 2D6

any unit with the monster keyword may only be summoned on a 12+, any unit with the hero keyword may only be summoned on a 11+ unless he is also a monster, Finally, the following units may only be summoned on a 11+ Skullcannon of Khorne, Hellflayers of Slaanesh, Exaulted Seeker Chariots of Slaneesh, Seeker Chariots of Slaneesh, Burning Chariots of Tzeentch, Blood Throne of Khorne. Any unit with the Keyword "Death" adds a +1 to the amount of models summoned excluding monsters and heroes.

Summoned units may not take ANY action the turn they are summoned.

current roasters updated to this format.

SKAVEN COMPENDIUM

Grey Seer 85 (+10 if general)

Screaming Bell 260 (+10 if general)

Warlord 45 (+10 if general)
Warpforged Blade +32
Halberd + 14
Barbed Blade +15
shield +1

Skaven Chieftain with Battle Standard 72

Warlock Engineer 85

Skaven Assassin 40
Weeping Blades +25
Fighting Claws +20
Poisoned Throwing Stars +6

Plague Priest 80

Plague Furnace 250

Packmaster 30
Whip and blade +10
Whip and thing-catcher +9
Shock prod +11

Clanrats 8 per model
shields +1 point per model
may take spears FREE
+4 for champ
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Storm Vermin 15
shields +1 point per model
+4 for champ
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Skavenslaves 5 per model
Rusty Blades +2 per model
Rusty Spears +1 per model
Slings +3 per model
+4 for champ
+8 for music

Night Runners 13 points per model
Gutter Runners 20 points per model

Giant rats 6 points per model

Rat Swarms 45 points per model

Rat Ogres 50 points per model
Warpfire Gun +8
Plague Monks 6 points per model
Foetid Blades +5 per model
Woe Staves +2 per Model
+4 for champ
Book of Woes +16
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Plague Cencer Bearers 16 per model

Doomflayers 35

Rattling gun 35
Warp Fire Thrower 35

Warp-Grinder 30

Wind mortar 40

Poisoned wind globes 20 per model

Jezzail Teams 32 points per model

Plague Claw Catapult 70

Doomwheel 120

Warp Lightning Cannon 100

Storm Fiends 75
rattling cannons +25
Windlaunchers +20
Warpfire Projectors +50
Doomflayer Guantlets +28
Grinderfists +28
Shock Guantlets +23

Hell-pit Abomanation 240
Warpstone Spikes +10

DWARVEN COMPENDIUM]

Dwarf Lord 57 (+10 if general)
Pistol +5
Rune Weapon +32
Great Rune Weapon +44
ShieldBearer's +24
Shield +8 (12 with shield bearers)

Runelord 82
Rune Staff +6
ForgeHammer +4

Dragon Slayer 76
Runic Axes +26
Runic Great Axe +32

Dwarf Engineer 55 (+10 for each war-machine in the army)
Steam Hammer +17
Dwarf Pistol +5
Dwarf Handgun +8

Thane with Battle Standard 81

Hammerers 17 per model
+4 for champ
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Ironbreakers 15 per model
+4 for champ
Drakefire Pistol +9 (plus 16 for brace)
Cinderblast Bomb +25
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Irondrakes 21 per model
+4 for champ
Trollhammer Torpedo +25
Drakefire Pistol +8 (plus 16 for brace)
Cinderblast Bomb +25
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Longbeards 13 per model
Great Axe +1 per model
+4 for champ
+8 for banner
+8 for music


Dwarf Warrior 10 per model
Great Axe +1 per model
+4 for champ
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Miners 10 Per model
+4 for champ
Steamdrill +30
Mining Cart +30 +12 for each model in the unit if you take blasting charges)
Steam harpoon +10
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Quarrellers 16 per model
Dwarf bucklers +1
+4 for champ
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Slayers 19 per model
+4 for champ
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Thunderers 15 per model
Dwarf Bucklers +1
+4 for champ
Brace of Pistols +12
+8 for banner
+8 for music

Gyrocopters 50 per model
Brimestone Gun +16
Steam Gen +20

Gyrobombers 73 per model

Dwarf Bolt Thrower 55 points per model

Dwarf Cannon 80 points per model

Dwarf Flame Cannon 60 points per model

Dwarf Organ Gun 90 Points per model

Grudge Thrower 60 points per model

Obviously testing is required. The idea of army specific special rules was a nice one. I still think most commands are well balanced across the board excluding MAYBE the undead ones.

Silly rules are assumed to always be in effect (I'll change this if i come across irregularities whilst configuring the other points.)

no shooting into combat.

LONG TERM "MODIFICATION" IDEAS

area denial down to range of the units melee weapons is a thought (more reasons to take spears, better more flexible movement around enemy formations)

Formations are something I'd like to consider (lined up units get shield wall, loose formation gains -1 to be hit, ranked gains bravery, wedge cav gets +1m, so on)

I've read it. It has only a few glaring issues (some units are easier to spam and only slightly less effective than a better counterpart) its rules for summoning monsters fails to cover half of the deamon chariots that can come in at any time.

I like his shooting into combat restrictions tho.

you cant just put them on flamespires, the flamespires can be ridden by them which grants them an additional attack and special rule. so the points for the flamespire would be 157 points not counting any special rules.

now that said, they are worth a hell of a lot more than that with the "reborn" special rule as well as wake of fire. wake of fire is worth about 70 points (mortal wounds I value at around 20 points per potential one per turn, but there isnt a good math formula for this because mortal wounds are often dealt in different ways.) phoenix reborn would either need an amendment/errata or be worth 75 extra points (half the value of the original unit for half the chance to come back) making the phoenix about 300 points with rounding.

putting an annointed on one would again increase the durability. so would increase the cost by 75 plus the value of the new halberd attack which is worth 18 points so around 95 to 100 extra points.

and no, it does not double the durability, for each wound it takes it has a 1/2 chance to save it. thats a 50% increase in durability, not 200%

Edit: scrolled to the next page and see you meant the frost one. from a glance id probably value it about the same (but id need to punch in) maybe a tad more in points. the value of an anointed is worth more here do to the higher cost of the monster.