Thread: 30k in the 40k narrative

Originally Posted by noodlers

Be nice you are better than this

When everyone stops giving hollow reasons to be against 30k, maybe I will care.

Originally Posted by CRP

As the TO that is blocking 30K from blossoming into the perfect rose of gaming, I use this thread as an example of my one of my arguments. There are too many 40K players that are strongly against integrating the two systems. I'm not just hating on the game. In fact I was/am planning on building a 30K army. But, all this griping and the entitled behavior by 30K players both here and on the internet is making me rethink giving 30K a try.

Ive spoken to more people for than against 30k.

Originally Posted by Caldera02

Ive spoken to more people for than against 30k.

I have had the opposite experience.

Originally Posted by Caldera02

When everyone stops giving hollow reasons to be against 30k, maybe I will care.

Why don't YOU give a solid argument for including 30K besides just dismissing other people's legitimate concerns? We have just had one new player and one player new to the area speak out against including 30K and y'all have completely disregarded them and their concerns without addressing the issue at all.

Nu-uh is not an argument.

They are not legitimate concerns though. Basing the games credibility off of thoery crafting isnt reasonable. Now had those people actually played against it and thought it was "OP", then the opionion would have merit.

I have, among others, given plenty of reason to allow 30k im our events locally. The fact of the matter is, 30k is so underpowered vs current things in 40k that any argument against is just plain silly.

Originally Posted by Caldera02

They are not legitimate concerns though. Basing the games credibility off of thoery crafting isnt reasonable. Now had those people actually played against it and thought it was "OP", then the opionion would have merit.

I have, among others, given plenty of reason to allow 30k im our events locally. The fact of the matter is, 30k is so underpowered vs current things in 40k that any argument against is just plain silly.

And there you go being dismissive and close minded again.

They ARE legitimate concerns. People do not like to be bamboozled and 30K opens the door for a lot more units, war gear and SRs. It is disingenuous of you to declare otherwise. The FACT of the matter is there are some extremely powerful units in 30K that can surprise players.

We have had this discussion a few times now and it is extremely frustrating that you are not willing to even consider any viewpoint but your own. You act like a person can learn everything they need to know about 40K by reading 3 pages. You have said that. I find it impossible to believe that those 3 pages will magically give me information about every unique unit and every unique SR in 30K.

So far, you're argument has been:

30K is not overpowered
You can know all the rules by reading three pages
There are so many gotcha moments in 40K what's a few more hurt. Basically let's bail out the sinking boat by bailing water INTO it.

Sorry, I'm not convinced and neither are a lot of others.

BTW just because when asked if they want to allow 30K in and the person replies "I don't care" That does not mean they WANT 30K allowed.

Originally Posted by CRP

And there you go being dismissive and close minded again.

They ARE legitimate concerns. People do not like to be bamboozled and 30K opens the door for a lot more units, war gear and SRs. It is disingenuous of you to declare otherwise. The FACT of the matter is there are some extremely powerful units in 30K that can surprise players.

We have had this discussion a few times now and it is extremely frustrating that you are not willing to even consider any viewpoint but your own. You act like a person can learn everything they need to know about 40K by reading 3 pages. You have said that. I find it impossible to believe that those 3 pages will magically give me information about every unique unit and every unique SR in 30K.

So far, you're argument has been:

30K is not overpowered
You can know all the rules by reading three pages
There are so many gotcha moments in 40K what's a few more hurt. Basically let's bail out the sinking boat by bailing water INTO it.

Sorry, I'm not convinced and neither are a lot of others.

BTW just because when asked if they want to allow 30K in and the person replies "I don't care" That does not mean they WANT 30K allowed.

I don't think you've played against 30k or you would know how silly your argument is. You are right though, 30k has some powerful units, they might even rival Chaos Space Marines in 40k.....

There really is not that many rules for 30k that are different. There are more rules in the last 40k campaign book than all of 30k but you are willing to let that in without ANY problems.

Also, the only people that are actively fighting this that I know of are you, Brian and these two new guys? Who else?

Originally Posted by Caldera02

Also, the only people that are actively fighting this that I know of are you, Brian and these two new guys? Who else?

I am against mixing 30k and 40k but I also think the overpowered/bamboozled argument is ludicrous. I just think mixing em is gross. Same reason I don't mix sodas at the fountain.