Thread: Counter to Deathstars Hallelujah

Originally Posted by CRP

Matt, my feelings are hurt.

How could you post that crap after Brian said he was putting his balls on the table?

I figured that was the next step for masochist chaos players at tournaments nowadays.

Just putting their balls on the table, giving their opponent a hammer and telling them "have at it".

Originally Posted by rand0mnumb3r

I figured that was the next step for masochist chaos players at tournaments nowadays.

Just putting their balls on the table, giving their opponent a hammer and telling them "have at it".

I think Brian will probably put his balls in a Land Raider and leave them there for the whole game.

He'll bring them out, but only if Marneus Calgar isn't around to threaten him. Because Marnie and shootynators is SO threatening to the almighty Abaddon.

Originally Posted by rand0mnumb3r

And yes Eldar/Tau are pretty dumb but you know what? I can have a normal 40k game against them. They kill my **** and I kill their ****. They may do it better then my Orks,Dark Eldar, AM, Tyranids etc but I can at least hold my own and make a game out of it. But Invisible Deathstars that are statistically impossible to kill in 5 turns? yeah those are dumb and make for the worst games of 40k I've had. Spending 2 hours avoiding playing 40k in any real way just to throw all my dudes on objectives turn 5 and hope for the best is not fun. Trying to kill the deathstar isn't fun either unless I guess you are Eldar/Tau and have 1st turn or a bunch of undercosted GMC for stomp.

I have witnessed -- last week -- a Tau army kill every single model of an invis wolfstar (okay, it was "wolfstar lite") in 2 turns of shooting while suffering the massive casualty of...

...a single Devilfish.

I've beaten invis real live Wolfstar (yes, capital "W") with BC/Skyhammer Ultras (though I think John kept his foot not all the way on the gas since it was my first game since 5E). I did it with the only thing Ultras seem to do well: shooting and ObSec.

Oh, that same Tau army literally shot my Invis, Enduranced Marnie-mini-star (is that a thing?) down to to a pitiful number and then D-stomped them to death in CC later that turn.

"So what's your point?" you're probably asking. There really isn't one, except to say that I don't find deathstars of any flavor to be auto-win buttons. Maybe I haven't faced enough of them in 7E. That's entirely possible.

Originally Posted by rand0mnumb3r

If you want to hop on board the ****-flavor on the month go for it. If that is what you want your 40k to be then have fun. I instead intend to play armies other than Eldar/Tau/Deathstars, and I rather enjoy finding things in the game that make people feel like a tool for using the ****-flavor of the month. So yes, Eff you Deathstars.

Yay? Yay!

*sigh*

I guess I've forgotten how to express myself using English.

That's not at all what I was trying to say. I was pointing out that it seems like the bigger threat to 40K as a game and as a hobby is the WAAC players that want nothing to do with playing an army, strategy or tactics -- they hop on the c*ck-of-the-month and ride it until the next OP thing comes out and then they hop on that and ride it, repeat ad nauseum.

Come to think of it, that's the exact same issue that was killing 40K in 5E.

The only thing different now seems to be the smaller number of people playing 40K.

...and that makes me sad.

To be honest, John's Wolfstar did not have invis. They did have Endurance so were really hard to kill still but invis would of been even harder. Brian held you up long enough for me to deal with those wolves and then focus on you. I also assumed you would crush the Stormsurge in combat but I rolled well on saves. /shrug

Originally Posted by Caldera02

To be honest, John's Wolfstar did not have invis. They did have Endurance so were really hard to kill still but invis would of been even harder. Brian held you up long enough for me to deal with those wolves and then focus on you. I also assumed you would crush the Stormsurge in combat but I rolled well on saves. /shrug

Maybe with invis. it could've been a game. I'm glad I didn't bring Iron Wolves because that would not have even been as good. From now on, I will laugh at your tears when I have Invisibility. That goes for you too Matt.

Originally Posted by CrusherJoe

That's not at all what I was trying to say. I was pointing out that it seems like the bigger threat to 40K as a game and as a hobby is the WAAC players that want nothing to do with playing an army, strategy or tactics -- they hop on the c*ck-of-the-month and ride it until the next OP thing comes out and then they hop on that and ride it, repeat ad nauseum.

Come to think of it, that's the exact same issue that was killing 40K in 5E.

Yes its WAAC players that kill 40k. Do you know what WAAC players are playing nowadays? Tau/Eldar/Wolfstar/BC.

If you are playing Tau/Eldar/Wolfstar/BC so you can compete with other Tau/Eldar/Wolfstar/BC players then you aren't really any better then them. You are just another guy riding that ****-of-the-month(COTM) lol.

If you want to give me **** about hating on deathstars go for it.

Me? I am going to continue being estatic I have found a pretty strong counter for one of the above COTM armies that isn't one of the above COTM armies. I'm just going to do my best to avoid joining the whole COTM-Lists train. Hopefully you guys realize you don't have to build netlists to win at some point. They are just the easy, unoriginal, and boring way to do it.

Also, if your defense that its OK for something being broken is that it sometimes loses to the other things that are broken.... That is a terrible argument.

Originally Posted by CRP

Maybe with invis. it could've been a game. I'm glad I didn't bring Iron Wolves because that would not have even been as good. From now on, I will laugh at your tears when I have Invisibility. That goes for you too Matt.

I'll have to find a new plan other than crocodile tears this time to beat your invisible wolfstar with fluffy orks at Wonkos then lol!

Originally Posted by rand0mnumb3r

Yes its WAAC players that kill 40k. Do you know what WAAC players are playing nowadays? Tau/Eldar/Wolfstar/BC.

If you are playing Tau/Eldar/Wolfstar/BC so you can compete with other Tau/Eldar/Wolfstar/BC players then you aren't really any better then them. You are just another guy riding that ****-of-the-month(COTM) lol.

If you want to give me **** about hating on deathstars go for it.

Me? I am going to continue being estatic I have found a pretty strong counter for one of the above COTM armies that isn't one of the above COTM armies. I'm just going to do my best to avoid joining the whole COTM-Lists train. Hopefully you guys realize you don't have to build netlists to win at some point. They are just the easy, unoriginal, and boring way to do it.

Also, if your defense that its OK for something being broken is that it sometimes loses to the other things that are broken.... That is a terrible argument.



I'll have to find a new plan other than crocodile tears this time to beat your invisible wolfstar with fluffy orks at Wonkos then lol!

Or just play an army and give zero ****s. Maelstoms? Sure, nah don't care about rolling... just going to push models around.
40k is to crazy and broken.