Thread: This will be relevant: condemner boltguns.

Originally Posted by ace423

Its like, can you look out sir on plasma overheats or demon weapons? No, because it is a wound that specifically hurts one model. No other model can suffer perils of the warp, only Psykers are affected by this rule and, despite obscure wording, anyone who tries to argue otherwise is just being an ass.

Neither of those wounds are caused by a successful hit from a shooting or melee attack, so Look Out Sir wouldn't apply. The Perils wound that takes place from the Condemner is a direct result of a successful hit from a shooting attack, against which I am allowed to take Look Out Sir. The fact that it auto-wounds on hit in addition to a regular wound you need to resolve is, to me, irrelevant. Look Out Sir doesn't say I only get to take it against non-auto wounds.

If I remember correctly, the Perils wording says I take a wound with no saves of any kind allowed. I don't believe it says I take an unsaved wound. That's an important disctinction. Taking a wound with no saves allowed is on the "other side" of the wound resolution process from an unsaved wound. On the one hand, I have a wound I have not yet resolved but denies me a save, and on the other hand I have a wound that I have already failed to save for whatever reason. If I have a 3+ armor save, no invul or cover save, and take an AP2 wound, I'm also not allowed to take a save of any kind. I can still Look Out Sir that wound after it is assigned but before it is resolved even though I am denied a save.

I don't necessarily have a dog in this fight one way or the other as none of my Psykers will ever be joined to a unit, at least until the new 'Nid codex comes out with any potential changes that may happen there. Right now, I take a hit, I eat a wound I have no way to save. It's lame, stupid BS, but it's pretty clear from a rules point of view. I can definitely see a situation for other players using librarians for farseers where it would be nowhere near as cut and dry.

Well it's hard enough, as is, to get the condemer bolt to actually hit a psyker buried in a squad. Until further notice, we will play it as I described. I don't want this silly rule having people running around gaking everyone's psykers but I also don't want it to be useless. I believe my interpretation of it is fair and logical.

Well psykers on their own just get hosed lol