Thread: Blood Angels 6th ed question

Power weapons. A lot of models have this problem (chaos terminators) where their power weapons were sometimes interchangeably modelled as axes. Until an FAQ comes along and says otherwise, all Glaive Encarmines are just MC power weapons.

Note also that despite being named axes, neither the Axe Mortalis nor the Executioner's Axe were ruled to be power axes.

Originally Posted by Kaika87

Note also that despite being named axes, neither the Axe Mortalis nor the Executioner's Axe were ruled to be power axes.

What? Where does it say that?

Originally Posted by RealGenius

What? Where does it say that?

Blood Angels FAQ. Or rather, their absence from the FAQ. Various other weapons were errata'd, such as crozius arcanums are now power mauls, and Kharn's Gorechild was ruled as a power axe, but no changes were made to Dante's or Astorath's entries. Both of their weapons are classified in the dex as power weapons, so they're power weapons still.

Originally Posted by RudeboyJefe

So would Mastercrafted power weapon mean that all their weapons are just normal power weapons at their base strength, or if some of them have the axes that come with the kit get the Power Axe rules?

That's how I read it. The FAQ says that in all places the Codex says "power sword" it should be changed to "power weapon" and the BRB power weapon rules say to look at the model to see what type it is. The exception is Crozius, in most places the FAQ says to treat it as a power maul.

For Sanguinary Guard, I'm planning on running them with the Chapter Banner, 3 swords, an axe and 1 power fist.

Originally Posted by Kaika87

Both of their weapons are classified in the dex as power weapons, so they're power weapons still.

Power weapons that are power swords, you're saying? Power weapons are non-specific now.

I see it as power weapons that look like an axe, which makes them axes according to the BRB power weapon rules.

Originally Posted by RealGenius

Right, power weapons that look like an axe, which makes them axes according to the BRB power weapon rules.

Granted, I don't have my book with me, but I recall that entry only saying to check what the model has if the rules are unclear, and both Dante and Astorath's dex entries declare them to be power weapons in no uncertain terms.

Yes, but "power weapons" are non-specific. Here's the power weapon description I'm reading:

If a model's war gear says it has a power weapon which has no further special rules, look at the model to tell which type of power weapon it has: if it's a sword or dagger, it's a power sword; if it's an axe or halberd, it's a power axe, if it's a blunt weapon like a mace or a staff, it's a power maul, if it's a spear or lance, it's a power lance.

Kharn's weapon has a bunch of special rules, so they specified it. But the rest seem to apply the "look at the model" rule, which is a nerf for Dante.

Unless you're saying that since it has "master crafted" it has further special rules, then we're stuck with it being a "power weapon" and don't have any indication what type of weapon it is.

Originally Posted by RealGenius

That's how I read it. The FAQ says that in all places the Codex says "power sword" it should be changed to "power weapon" and the BRB power weapon rules say to look at the model to see what type it is. The exception is Crozius, in most places the FAQ says to treat it as a power maul.

For Sanguinary Guard, I'm planning on running them with the Chapter Banner, 3 swords, an axe and 1 power fist.

So then what about chaos terminators and the like? I don't think it's fair to assume that just because GW made some aesthetic decisons before this ruleset existed, that those purely aesthetic choices now have in-game effects.

Originally Posted by RealGenius

Yes, but "power weapons" are non-specific. Here's the power weapon description I'm reading:



Kharn's weapon has a bunch of special rules, so they specified it. But the rest seem to apply the "look at the model" rule, which is a nerf for Dante.

Unless you're saying that since it has "master crafted" it has further special rules, then we're stuck with it being a "power weapon" and don't have any indication what type of weapon it is.

I would say master-crafted is debatable, but Astorath at least has a definitive ruleset for his weapon, it's a S6 power weapon that forces enemies to reroll successful invulnerable saves.

I admit, I want MC to override that idea about the model's weapon having an impact, because I think it's bullsh*t that just because I modelled a guy with an axe due to liking how an axe looked, or because I modelled a guy without an axe (Dante) because I came up with something better, I'm now penalized.

At any rate, going by RAW, master crafted is a special weapon type and is classified as such alongside heavy, rapid fire, etc. I'm biased, but I think that qualifies the GE and Dante as having power weapons with additional special rules.