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    My Blood Angels Dice

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    so i bought the boutique blood angels dice from gw but abandoned them because they had a higher than average number of ones, as indicated by the blood angel symbol on top.

    even my opponents said for me to abandon these vanity dice so i did, and then i brought them up to work to show people and demonstrate their propensity for rolling 1s.

    well i noticed something today while playing with them and that is that they are a bit backwards. i did not know that all dice are printed a certain way, which is opposite sides add up to 7. well on a majority of these blood angel dice the 3 and the 4 are reversed as shown in the picture. as a point of comparison, some vegas casino dice are shown which I am assuming is the gold standard for dice.

    does anyone have any idea if there is a standard pattern for printing dice, and at the very least would you expect the gw dice to all match?

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    I thought I told you to take a sledge hammer to those dice.
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    The odds don't change based on where the pips are, not greatly anyways. What changes it the most is the beveled edges. That's why the casino dice are straight edged and evenly weighted.
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    But, the casino dice don't have wolf heads on them.
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    There are a few things going on when comparing casino dice to gaming dice that makes comparison difficult.
    In terms of the physical manufacture, true casino dice: are clear, so you can detect physical defects such as air bubbles; do not have drilled pips; and are heavier. These all contribute to having optimal mass point ratios. However, casino dice are also intended to be thrown rather than dropped. This is why the straight corner is important, but the straight corner also means the dice will 'wear out' more quickly, as any chips on those corners alter the balance. If you drop casino dice, they will have less air spin due to the higher mass, so the initial position before the drop affects the final position. With the drilled pips, it could change the mass point ratio, especially with those specialty dice since the general properties of the surface have been altered in a non-uniform manner. With regular drilled pips, a dropped die will be more likely to land with the 'one' side down due to having increased mass on that end. However, the beveled corner also increases the likelihood of table spin. I don't know exactly how the non-standard 'one' side might affect it.

    If you want to really test those dice, though, you're looking at about a minimum of 1000 rolls per die to determine a pattern. 10000 would be better if you really want to minimize the error. But you have kids, so you could always get them to do it. :-)
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    ok i actually read and understand what you wrote

    that being said we dont use trays and we really cannot throw our dice

    i really have been working just to pour them out of my hand into a flat area to avoid hitting models

    ***on an aside i watch kenny bouchers channel on youtube and they brutalize their models with dice, and their models are nicely painted and sometimes they take the casino dice to them***

    i have been grouping my dice into three categories.

    large dice rounded edges
    small dice rounded edges
    large dice square edges
    i dont really own any casino dice, i thought about getting them though because i like the way they look but i thought they would be brutal to use at dragons lair

    erin ive never seen you roll, chris you throw your dice up in the air like i used to but what you do would be brutal with casino dice, and john i like your style and probably have been doing it more like you

    thanks for the feedback the discussion is as interesting as i thought it would be and i look forward to more of it

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    I want to discuss the wolf heads and whether they should be on the 1s, the 6, or both.
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    Brian, yeah throwing dice would be bad. That was kind of an unstated point: casino dice aren't generally appropriate for gaming. True casino dice are expensive. The souvenir dice that can be bought cheaply are usually altered in such a way that makes them unsuitable for use.

    I have a few articles I had found when I was researching the topic a while ago (was why I happened to know all that just now). Will try to find them and post the links here later.

    Throwing the dice in the air is going to increase the effect of air resistance, but also increases the in air spin. Not sure how that plays out overall. My intuition says it would lead to higher degree of truly random results. As opposed to dropping, which favors a lower proportion of.ones in general.

    Also just based on intuition, I would guess that beveled edge dice that spin on the table are more likely to end up as 2-5, since the mass of the 1 and 6 ends have the greatest disparity, so I think it would destabilize on that pole, but finding stabilization when that pole is at horizontal. But that is just a hunch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CRP View Post
    I want to discuss the wolf heads and whether they should be on the 1s, the 6, or both.
    Both would be best for an optimal mass distribution. Otherwise, it depends how much material is removed in the etching. Also the nonstandard shape would have a different effect on aerodynamic properties, but I don't know much about that to say how it would alter the outcomes.

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    Oh, and how I roll kind of depends on how many dice. And my mood. Just a few, I tend to toss them up one handed. I also do this when they have been ending up badly. That may be quasi-superstitious, trying to shake the bad off them. If it is a handful, I shake them between both hands and drop. Again, if they have been going well, I tend to shake them less, not intentionally at all, just something I have noticed that I do. Same with cards, if I had a bad run one turn, I shuffle them longer.

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