Thread: Wargamescon GK list...looking for feedback

So I ran this last night...

Crowe
2 x 10 purifiers (5 halberd, 1 hammer, 4 psycannon)
3 x 10 purifier (5 sword, 1 hammer, 4 psycannon)
3 x psyrifle dreads

Got beat by splug's black templars in a spearhead, capture and control game. Reasonably competitive game, was hurt by the relatively short range of the psycannons (and by being outplayed). Didn't have any way to threaten his backfield. Dreadnoughts died early, did relatively little.

Beat muffinman's orcs. Purifiers are really sick vs. multi-wound nobs and hordes of boyz. No surprise there. Dreadnoughts killed a nob squad, otherwise did little.

Crowe was awful in both games.

I'd really like to fit some techmarines in for grenades, bolster, and an extra hammerhand where it is needed.

List #2

Crowe
Librarian (sanctuary, shroud, quicksilver, rift)
2 x techmarine w/rad & psychostoke
4 x 10 purifiers (5 halberd, 1 hammer, 4 psycannon)
2 x psyrifle

Fewer boots. Fewer guns. Bolster + grenades, 2+ cover saves with shroud. Better?

Originally Posted by RealGenius

It doesn't look like you did anything to increase your ability to threaten the backfield, esp by removing a dread. It might be the wrong way to go, but Storm Raven?

Very true. Is running one stormraven viable? It seems like it would be immediately shot out of the sky...unless I go first (where I could move flat-out and shroud it) or reserve it (dicey w/o communion on the table). I could stick Crowe in it and have him go maul long fangs or something... Or I could dump Crowe altogether...

Xenos w/psychostroke and rad, psyker w/communion 85
Librarian 170
techmarine w/psychostroke and rad 115
1 x 10 purifiers (5 halberd, 1 hammer, 4 psycannon) 295
1 x 9 purifiers (2 psycannon, 7 halberds) 250
Stormraven 205
2 x GKSS (8 sword, 1 hammer, 2 psycannon) 460
3 x psyrifle 405

15 spare points

Another thought:

Grandmaster w/psychostroke, rad, and blind 210
3 x 10 purifiers (5 halberd, 1 hammer, 4 psycannon) 885
2 x 5 GKSS ( 4 swords, 1 psycannon) 220
1 x 10 interceptor (8 swords, 2 psycannon) 280
3 x psyrifle 405

I lose: 4 psycannons. Go from 50 dudes who score to 10 (but master can add another 10-30)
I gain: Ability to DS interceptors and GKSS. Warpquake. Grand strategy. Replace Crowe w/ a reasonably nasty IC w/grenades who can hide in a unit.

Thoughts?

Silly man, GKGM is for Scout and Outflank for a Crowe army. Nothing like Purifiers on the board edges for threatening the enemy backfield.

"A unit with the scouts rule conveys scout to it's dedicated transport." Pretty nice getting the Rhinos and their purifiers into the enemy DZ.

Don't complain about the Crowe tax. Crowe shopuld eat something good every game, and Purifiers are sickeningly good FEARLESS troops.

Originally Posted by jwolf

"A unit with the scouts rule conveys scout to it's dedicated transport." Pretty nice getting the Rhinos and their purifiers into the enemy DZ.

Don't complain about the Crowe tax. Crowe shopuld eat something good every game, and Purifiers are sickeningly good FEARLESS troops.

...and now I'm playing marines in boxes like everyone else. Curse you 5th edition! *shakes fist in direction of UK*

I'm tempted to drop the dreads entirely. Those + the GM psycannon & blind grenades give me another 6 sword/4 psycannon squad in a rhino.

mmm...20 psycannons. 52 dudes. Nasty grenades and outflanking shenanigans.

Originally Posted by Splug

I think adding the rhinos adds a lot more than the dreadnoughts did, though as we discussed you need to be ready to swap tactics and turn into an assault army if you're playing against a gun line.

The grand master is always going to be attached to one squad. That squad can't fit into a rhino. If you drop the rhino from one squad and can scrape together 5 points from somewhere else, you can give the GM his psycannon back - and a relentless BS6 psycannon is pretty awesome.

EDIT: We both also probably should make Grand Strategy tokens to stick with our squads... because I don't know how many rounds of shooting finished with the phrase, "Oh, and I should have rerolled my 1's. Oops."

That is an excellent idea...but I don't know if jwolf would let me resubmit my list at this point. Hmmm...

Yeah, forgetting to reroll was just the universe telling me I should have started two squads on the board (leaving their rhinos home) and scouted straight at your bunker. Why was I hugging cover when my armor save was better?