I got the new Harlequins codex, so this is the first time I've had to think about the 'formations' aspect of building an army.
If I use a primary Eldar force, can I take a Harlequin 'Formation' (not the Masque detachment) and have an Ally detachment? (And still remain battleforged?)
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Battleforged just says all your models must be in a detachment. A formation is just a special type of detachment. Per the rulebook you can bring as many detachments from as many sources as you like. However, various tournaments place a restriction on number of detachments and/or sources. So it depends on the tournament specific rules in reality most likely, unless they just say battleforged with no other restrictions.
Also, harlequins are their own faction per their codex, and for the april tournament Tyson said each player can only bring units from one faction (just to alleviate any potential hassle given the team allies rule already being used), so no craftworld eldar and harlequins in a single player's list for the team tournament. I suppose you could still use the eldar codex harlequin entry as I don't believe they have faq'd it yet.
Thanks to you both - understood!
Yeah the bigger tournaments need to get away from single or 2 source limits and limited detachments. That's the game now and limiting them has not limited the bad lists. I was kinda on the fence about it until I saw the necron and harlie book.
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So because my little brain in stuck in 5th edition i can bring a primary of csm and a detachment of chaos deamons and a formation of orks andbe battleforged.
Primary is just whichever detachment contains your warlord. And yes. Army can include any number of factions***per the rulebook***.
Tournaments (not so much at DL or Wonkos ones generally, but everywhere else it seems) seems to depend on whatever weird calculus of rules modification they decide is representative of whatever version of the game they believe their core constituency wants to play.
And that isn't me being snarky. I can think of no other way to describe it as there is such a range; its not that there isn't a logic going on, just everyone appears to be using their own unique algorithm for applying it.
Last edited by morella888; 03-12-2015 at 12:36 PM.
john, also wanted to note, in case this was part of your question, the allies matrix rules apply to each faction in the army pairwise. So in your example, CSM and CD are battle brothers, CD and Orks are desperate allies, and CSM and Orks are allies of convenience, so you'd be applying three different alliance rules categories as appropriate.
Also, you can duplicate types of detachment per the rulebook. Again, this is one of those things that I have seen addressed in many tournament guidelines with an imposed no duplication restriction.
And I totally get being stuck in some past edition. I have a weird amalgam of 3/4/6/7 rules in my brain, and for some reason certain rules I just have a really hard time remembering which version is currently the correct one, or worse there is some odd hybrid rule my memory has concocted.
another formation fyi, its my understanding that units in formations do not count toward your compulsory units in detachments
That is true. A unit can only be in one detachment in terms of the list build. Characters can join units in other detachments, dependingon alliance level. They still count as having whatever unit type however. But in the proper ruleset, you don't need a CAD, so you can build a list with just formations.
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