Weird choices in the Mirror match list

So I signed up for the mirror match after I saw the chaos list posted, and at first glance I was okay with it but after I was looking at it a while longer there are some baffling choices. First off, one thing I noticed is that even if you take the cheapest HQ, the Nurgle Lord, you're over 1500 points. After that I'm scratching my head over the points spent on giving the Predator Extra Armor or the Chosen the Mark of Tzeentch. I mean who cares if a Predator can move even if it's stunned, since the Predator isn't a transport? Wouldn't it be better on the Berzerker Rhino? And while I admit that an invuln save on the Chosen is nice, it's 40 points for a 5+. I can't help but think there has to be a better way to spend that much. Like if the dozer blade gets dropped too, you could give the Chosen a Rhino and the Chaos Glory icon.

I only bring all this up because I liked the Space Marine list from last year and I like the inclusion of Raptors, Chosen, and the "choose your HQ" idea this year. Except for the part where the list is over 1500, I'm just nitpicking.

Isn't the mirror match all about random choices and not-obvious upgrades? I actually hate the idea of the "pick your own HQ", it should be set like last years. I didn't play though, so maybe I'm completely wrong, but the idea is fantastic, and I really think true generalship shows through in this scenario.

HAH The HQ you should be given is a chaos lord with twin lightning claws.

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Originally Posted by l192837465

Isn't the mirror match all about random choices and not-obvious upgrades? I actually hate the idea of the "pick your own HQ", it should be set like last years. I didn't play though, so maybe I'm completely wrong, but the idea is fantastic, and I really think true generalship shows through in this scenario.

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I thought the point was to see who was the best general with tue same list. Which okay, I know thr HQ thing breaks that, but even so. The list last year was pretty solid. And the chaos list is still over 1500.

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Originally Posted by Kaika87

I thought the point was to see who was the best general with tue same list. Which okay, I know thr HQ thing breaks that, but even so. The list last year was pretty solid. And the chaos list is still over 1500.

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You can probably throw out the "point limit" thing, since all the lists are pre-designed we decided to essentially ignore it because it doesn't matter in this sort of format. As far as specific choices go, some of them are random, some of them are there because of the fact that sometimes its how someone uses the small random things that makes the difference, and yes some of them are just gimmicks. The point wasn't to make the best list, but rather to make a list that would be entertaining and would allow a large number of interesting pre-game and in-game choices to be made. Also, we wanted to try to make a list that could potentially be "proxied" using just about any good sized chaos or space marine force.

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Originally Posted by Bushido

You can probably throw out the "point limit" thing, since all the lists are pre-designed we decided to essentially ignore it because it doesn't matter in this sort of format. As far as specific choices go, some of them are random, some of them are there because of the fact that sometimes its how someone uses the small random things that makes the difference, and yes some of them are just gimmicks. The point wasn't to make the best list, but rather to make a list that would be entertaining and would allow a large number of interesting pre-game and in-game choices to be made. Also, we wanted to try to make a list that could potentially be "proxied" using just about any good sized chaos or space marine force.

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Love it. You should really solidify the HQ choice though. Or give a couple set options if you want to do it that way. Next year you should use some awesome army like Tau or something

All fair points, really it looks like a fun list overall, with Raptors seeing some precious table time, I was just giving some unsolicited feedback on a couple things. The Predator upgrades kinda bugged me more than they had any right to. Carry on.

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Originally Posted by l192837465

Love it. You should really solidify the HQ choice though. Or give a couple set options if you want to do it that way. Next year you should use some awesome army like Tau or something

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there aren't enough Tau players for that to be a good turnout...yet.

We'll have to wait and see what the new codex looks like.

Chaos can be proxied by Space Marines, which is by far the largest army choice -- on top of all the actual chaos armies out there. So I actually think a Chaos only tourney like this would be the largest pool possible.

Where can I find this chaos list?

It's on the War Games Con site

Link? I assumed thats were it was but can't find it :(

http://www.wargamescon.com/2011/12/m...ce-marine.html

It's only the second most recent news post on the website, lol. You sure you were at the right site?

Haha no I couldnt find the WarGamesCon link off off of the BoLS home page. It used to be at the top... I dont know where it went?

Why doesn't the Nurgle Lord have wings? Also why no Hurron? lol

I like the list, although the Predator is a bit over laiden, and it is too bad that not all the units have a champion for the SGD to come out of.

I liked last year's list better, but maybe thats just cuz I like Sicarius.

We're redoing the list after the FAQ.

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Originally Posted by jwolf

We're redoing the list after the FAQ.

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Abaddon + stuff. Done and done!

I'll play that! Done!

Hey so I actually saw a preview of the new chaos lists. I dunno when jwolf will post them. But I was really digging the new lists. It seems like you'll really have to choose a lord that fits your play style and it still leaves a lot of room to be tactical.

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Originally Posted by AdamHarry

Hey so I actually saw a preview of the new chaos lists. I dunno when jwolf will post them. But I was really digging the new lists. It seems like you'll really have to choose a lord that fits your play style and it still leaves a lot of room to be tactical.

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Sounds awesome, I'll be looking forward to it.

No special characters. You have to choose between 5 different lords. Also that weird predator is now a havoc squad. Yeah I'm liking it too.

Is the new list posted somewhere that I can't find, or is this just what John told you?

John was playing with army builder at nicks house. I'm sure it will be up after some polishing. He probably doesn't want to have to change it again...

It is very similar to the first version, except wih the changes above

The formal version Nick will post on BoLS soon, but it's like this:
5 Havocs, 2 Autocannons
6 Slaneeshi Raptors, 2 Meltaguns and PW
7 Plague Marines, 2 Plasmaguns and PW (Rhino, dozer)
8 Khorne Berserkers, PW (Rhino, dozer)
9 Tzeentch Chosen, 2 Meltaguns and PW (Rhino, dozer)
10 Chaos Glory Marines, 2 Plasmaguns and PF

And a choice of one:
TZ Lord, Daemonweapon and Jump Pack
KH Lord, Juggernaut, Claws, Meltabombs
NU Lord, Bike and Powerfist
SL Lord, Mount, Claws, Combi-Melta
Lord, Daemonweapon, Wings, Plasma Pistol

That's from memory, so don't have a cow if it's not exactly right. The Lords all have gear to be the same cost.

any one got a spare plastic Juggernaught!?!?

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Originally Posted by AdamHarry

any one got a spare plastic Juggernaught!?!?

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Yup

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Originally Posted by RealGenius

Yup

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Thats funny, I almost posted that you would have one:D

Man, leaning between the Juggernaut and the two jump infantry ones.

Remember the nurgle lord is t6 and will insta kill any of the others although is the weakest against whole units... I think they are all good

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Originally Posted by daKing

Remember the nurgle lord is t6 and will insta kill any of the others although is the weakest against whole units... I think they are all good

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Technically he's toughness 4(6), and the meltaguns will insta-gib him. Not that I'm saying he's a bad choice, but I'd prefer to be able to tuck my HQ in a squad.

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Originally Posted by The Dude

Thats funny, I almost posted that you would have one:D

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I'm ashamed I haven't built them yet.

You can put bike characters in units.

I guess so, yea. I suppose you could stick him in the Raptors and do some damage. Actually that's not aa bad idea, either. Hmmmm...

I was just thinking that I like Juggernaughts, is all.

what do the different mounts give you?

Khone= +1S & +1A?
Slannesh= beast & +1A
Nurgle= +1W & +1A
Tzench= flight & +1A

Khorne= +1S & +1A? high blood presure
Slannesh= beast & +1A herpes
Nurgle= +1W & +1A ingrown toenail
Tzench= flight & +1A e= a respect for cats