Blue Table Painting

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Originally Posted by Beamo

I disagree, but like her, my opinion is my opinion. I think too much of what Lucas gets credit for as being great are actually from other contributors for him to be the greatest living artist. But is he an artist? Absolutely.

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Actually, the thrust of the entire idea is the movie is the culmination of 3000 years of different types of art, and also that there's relatively less great art than in ages past. So he's somewhat good and good relatively.

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Originally Posted by The Dude

My original statement was meant to be somewhat tongue in cheek sorry if I offended your artistic sensibilities, that makes your initial response more understandable. A miniature is more than a canvas though, don't you think? Isn't that assertion insulting to the skills of the sculptor? Could you do what you do without the sculptors initial effort? Should you be compensated more for your part of the finished product than the sculptor was? I am not ignorant and this discussion is not so cut and dry as you seem to think. But it is interesting, thanks for the conversation.

And Jim, thank you, that is exactly what I meant.

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Fair enough, another instance of a statement not translating well in type. :)

As a whole, yes an unpainted miniature is more than a canvas, but when you isolate the artists and their contributions, it's the blank slate they paint on, just the same as the blob of putty was to the sculptor, or the wall to an artist doing a mural. Assuming one only paints minis, no, they would not be able to do it without the sculptors effort, nor the brushes, but no one's taken up the defense of the arts of kolonok harvesting and brushmaking, in this thread yet. :p

As to compensation, a sculptor sometimes has the benefit of being constantly compensated for the sales success of their reproductions; I cannot ever mold and mass-produce my paint jobs, each one takes the time it takes, and is potentially unique even in the case of when I paint two identical models (the same sculpt reproduced). It's quite often an apples and oranges result. If a sculptor doesn't get what they feel the work was worth, it's not on me to feel guilty about what I get paid to paint it, though.

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Originally Posted by RealGenius

Actually, the thrust of the entire idea is the movie is the culmination of 3000 years of different types of art, and also that there's relatively less great art than in ages past. So he's somewhat good and good relatively.

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I see what you mean. I just don't think it's as simple as choosing him as the greatest of his particular medium, and then choosing him as better in his medium than the greatest artists of other mediums are at theirs.

you might call him the "most influential", if you felt that way, for example. That's something quantifiable. But art is subjective, and what's the bestest ever to one person could be trash to another, in spite of the art's influence on viewers.

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Originally Posted by Beamo

As to compensation, a sculptor sometimes has the benefit of being constantly compensated for the sales success of their reproductions; I cannot ever mold and mass-produce my paint jobs, each one takes the time it takes, and is potentially unique even in the case of when I paint two identical models (the same sculpt reproduced). It's quite often an apples and oranges result. If a sculptor doesn't get what they feel the work was worth, it's not on me to feel guilty about what I get paid to paint it, though.

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As far as GW goes I believe the sculptors are paid a flat salary and do not get a commission of sales, but I could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by RealGenius

I think what he's saying is that you should be paid for your final product, not your time. Whether or not that time spent is worthwhile to you depends on your own calculations.

Speaking of "art", George Lucas is the World's Greatest Living Artist.

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My final product is the product of my talent and time. To fairly price my final product time is a better measure because it is measurable. I use it as a guide and more often than not I spend more time than I quoted/priced, and I don't back charge.

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Originally Posted by The Dude

As far as GW goes I believe the sculptors are paid a flat salary and do not get a commission of sales, but I could be wrong.

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I certainly hope they're not strictly commission based. The rules play too much into the sales, and the sculptors have no control over the rules. Just look at the Pyrovore; great model, **** rules, so no one ever bought one.

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Originally Posted by evilamericorp

I certainly hope they're not strictly commission based. The rules play too much into the sales, and the sculptors have no control over the rules. Just look at the Pyrovore; great model, **** rules, so no one ever bought one.

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Then you'd have the sculptors bribing the developers to give their models the best rules...

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Originally Posted by The Dude

As far as GW goes I believe the sculptors are paid a flat salary and do not get a commission of sales, but I could be wrong.

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As far as I know, this is correct, but that's just GW. We know how they roll.

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Originally Posted by Beamo

We know how they roll.

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