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    Petition for GW policies overhaul.

    Thousands of concerned customers are sending Games Workshop a petition urging them to change their ways. Here's the details:


    One gamer has put together a formal petition to get the message to Games Workshop - Please Change Your Ways!

    The Petition's author is Evan "Gothmog" Valdyke who describes the project as follows:

    "I did up a petition outlining a few core concerns the gaming community has with their business practices and how they should reflect upon them selves and how their strategy is not meeting customer desires or expectations."


    The Petition (a summarized version)


    Refocus your business model on the sale of a game and support of a gaming community vice the pure sale of collectible miniatures.


    As competition from outside organizations grow and GW revenues and profits fall, your company seemingly continues to pursue a business model not in alignment with your customer base's desires and expectations.


    1- Support gamers, conventions, and tournaments, primarily through well-developed rules and encouraging competitive play.


    2- Reduce the number of "Direct exclusive models" and support the FLGS/independent retailers.


    3- Competitively price your products.


    4- Change your website to be hobby and gaming driven with a webstore option attached for support.


    5- Conduct market research and increase player involvement.




    Petition Timeline
    Here are the milestones met by the petition:

    Started: - October 22
    100 signatures - October 23
    2500 signatures - October 24
    3000 signatures - October 26th

    The petition stands currently at 6,861 supporters (at time of writing), with 1,249 beyond the 5000 goal.

    https://www.change.org/p/games-works...ble-miniatures

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    I disagree with the petition as I enjoy the game not being built for tournaments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noodlers View Post
    I disagree with the petition as I enjoy the game not being built for tournaments.
    I signed this petition the other day. It doesn't matter if a few people don't care for tournament quality rules. If the game has tight rules it will even make the more casual experiences more fun. This game is constantly toted as a 'beer and pretzels' kind of game, but with a 200 page rulebook and 50+ page codices, it is anything but. Even if there is fluff in the codex, in the Tau book (for example) the fluff stops on page 31, and pages 32-73 contain rules for units and wargear, then pages 94 to the end are unit entries. In fact, the guy from buypainted explains it best. This game will get worse and worse until GW realizes that it's a miniature wargame producer, not a collectible miniature producer.

    http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/...y-exposed.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccrraazzyyman View Post
    I signed this petition the other day. It doesn't matter if a few people don't care for tournament quality rules. If the game has tight rules it will even make the more casual experiences more fun. This game is constantly toted as a 'beer and pretzels' kind of game, but with a 200 page rulebook and 50+ page codices, it is anything but. Even if there is fluff in the codex, in the Tau book (for example) the fluff stops on page 31, and pages 32-73 contain rules for units and wargear, then pages 94 to the end are unit entries. In fact, the guy from buypainted explains it best. This game will get worse and worse until GW realizes that it's a miniature wargame producer, not a collectible miniature producer.

    http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/...y-exposed.html
    yea but the petition is saying they want gw to support the tournament scene, i dont care if gw supports the tournament scene or not. i also think that if you want a tight ruleset, its going to be hard to do with rulebooks as large as you are stating, which is the truth.

    i dont think 40k is a tournament game, never has been, and people frustrate themselves by trying to make it one and then try and make it gw's problem when it doesnt work out that way. my goodness, look at the most recent tournament, feast of blades. you had the winner admit that he had an illegal list, and then another guy using a loaded dice or two. gw had nothing to do with that.

    then, look at the bao earlier this year. the winner there went most of the tournament claiming khan had a 3++ when the rules state he has a 4++. these are major tournaments and the folks at the top tables are intentionally or unintentionally cheating. i don't think that's a gw problem, its a community problem which is why i don't think gw bothers to tighten their ruleset to satisfy folks who want to make this a tournament game.

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    I also don't see how the prices aren't competitive. Believe me I don't want war machine quality sculpts. I want GW quality sculpts. If I wanted ****ty cheap models then I'd play an ugly game.
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    Tyson you are aware that GW charges more on average for their models than most other companies right? While the sculpts are very nice the prices are a tad out of touch with market base.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geist View Post
    Tyson you are aware that GW charges more on average for their models than most other companies right? While the sculpts are very nice the prices are a tad out of touch with market base.
    How about backing that statement up with some facts and don't include companies with crappy models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Geist View Post
    Tyson you are aware that GW charges more on average for their models than most other companies right? While the sculpts are very nice the prices are a tad out of touch with market base.
    Yeah Porsche charges more too.


    As for out of touch, yeah, I forget how much actual market research the Internet does re price points. Most of the Internet noise makers couldn't run for the border let alone run a company.
    Quote Originally Posted by RealGenius View Post
    Your "booty > money > toy soldiers" logic is indeed irrefutable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hogleg View Post
    Yeah Porsche charges more too.


    As for out of touch, yeah, I forget how much actual market research the Internet does re price points. Most of the Internet noise makers couldn't run for the border let alone run a company.
    GW price points are up there.. you just have to look at the black market. If the price was lower, the demand to buy Chinese knock offs would be lower. Now that is a pure egalitarian type view but there is still some truth to it.
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    Hell the fantasy models are a lot cheaper anyway when compared to the 40k, Chris what do you have to complain about LOL

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