Petition for GW policies overhaul.

**Malchai** · 10-28-2014, 10:39 AM

Thousands of concerned customers are sending Games Workshop a petition urging them to change their ways. Here's the details:

One gamer has put together a formal petition to get the message to Games Workshop - Please Change Your Ways!

The Petition's author is Evan "Gothmog" Valdyke who describes the project as follows:

"I did up a petition outlining a few core concerns the gaming community has with their business practices and how they should reflect upon them selves and how their strategy is not meeting customer desires or expectations."

The Petition (a summarized version)

Refocus your business model on the sale of a game and support of a gaming community vice the pure sale of collectible miniatures.

As competition from outside organizations grow and GW revenues and profits fall, your company seemingly continues to pursue a business model not in alignment with your customer base's desires and expectations.

1- Support gamers, conventions, and tournaments, primarily through well-developed rules and encouraging competitive play.

2- Reduce the number of "Direct exclusive models" and support the FLGS/independent retailers.

3- Competitively price your products.

4- Change your website to be hobby and gaming driven with a webstore option attached for support.

5- Conduct market research and increase player involvement.

Petition Timeline
Here are the milestones met by the petition:

Started: - October 22
100 signatures - October 23
2500 signatures - October 24
3000 signatures - October 26th

The petition stands currently at 6,861 supporters (at time of writing), with 1,249 beyond the 5000 goal.

https://www.change.org/p/games-works...ble-miniatures

if that link doesn't work...

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/...changeorg.html

**noodlers** · 10-28-2014, 12:08 PM

I disagree with the petition as I enjoy the game not being built for tournaments.

**Hogleg** · 10-28-2014, 12:43 PM

I also don't see how the prices aren't competitive. Believe me I don't want war machine quality sculpts. I want GW quality sculpts. If I wanted ****ty cheap models then I'd play an ugly game.

**Geist** · 10-28-2014, 01:13 PM

Tyson you are aware that GW charges more on average for their models than most other companies right? While the sculpts are very nice the prices are a tad out of touch with market base.

**CRP** · 10-28-2014, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Geist

Tyson you are aware that GW charges more on average for their models than most other companies right? While the sculpts are very nice the prices are a tad out of touch with market base.

How about backing that statement up with some facts and don't include companies with crappy models.

**noodlers** · 10-28-2014, 02:10 PM

Hell the fantasy models are a lot cheaper anyway when compared to the 40k, Chris what do you have to complain about LOL

**Beamo** · 10-28-2014, 04:08 PM

Originally Posted by noodlers

Hell the fantasy models are a lot cheaper anyway when compared to the 40k, Chris what do you have to complain about LOL

fantasy is only affordable buying 2nd hand or using unit filler. :P

**ccrraazzyyman** · 10-28-2014, 04:56 PM

Originally Posted by noodlers

I disagree with the petition as I enjoy the game not being built for tournaments.

I signed this petition the other day. It doesn't matter if a few people don't care for tournament quality rules. If the game has tight rules it will even make the more casual experiences more fun. This game is constantly toted as a 'beer and pretzels' kind of game, but with a 200 page rulebook and 50+ page codices, it is anything but. Even if there is fluff in the codex, in the Tau book (for example) the fluff stops on page 31, and pages 32-73 contain rules for units and wargear, then pages 94 to the end are unit entries. In fact, the guy from buypainted explains it best. This game will get worse and worse until GW realizes that it's a miniature wargame producer, not a collectible miniature producer.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/...y-exposed.html

**Kiwidru** · 10-28-2014, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Malchai

The petition stands currently at 6,861 supporters (at time of writing), with 1,249 beyond the 5000 goal.

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**noodlers** · 10-28-2014, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by ccrraazzyyman

I signed this petition the other day. It doesn't matter if a few people don't care for tournament quality rules. If the game has tight rules it will even make the more casual experiences more fun. This game is constantly toted as a 'beer and pretzels' kind of game, but with a 200 page rulebook and 50+ page codices, it is anything but. Even if there is fluff in the codex, in the Tau book (for example) the fluff stops on page 31, and pages 32-73 contain rules for units and wargear, then pages 94 to the end are unit entries. In fact, the guy from buypainted explains it best. This game will get worse and worse until GW realizes that it's a miniature wargame producer, not a collectible miniature producer.

http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2014/...y-exposed.html

yea but the petition is saying they want gw to support the tournament scene, i dont care if gw supports the tournament scene or not. i also think that if you want a tight ruleset, its going to be hard to do with rulebooks as large as you are stating, which is the truth.

i dont think 40k is a tournament game, never has been, and people frustrate themselves by trying to make it one and then try and make it gw's problem when it doesnt work out that way. my goodness, look at the most recent tournament, feast of blades. you had the winner admit that he had an illegal list, and then another guy using a loaded dice or two. gw had nothing to do with that.

then, look at the bao earlier this year. the winner there went most of the tournament claiming khan had a 3++ when the rules state he has a 4++. these are major tournaments and the folks at the top tables are intentionally or unintentionally cheating. i don't think that's a gw problem, its a community problem which is why i don't think gw bothers to tighten their ruleset to satisfy folks who want to make this a tournament game.

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